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Oracne needs to write a "hot romance" story. Which of these settings appeals?
World War One is the perfect setting, go no farther.![]()
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7 (15.6%)
Space opera!![]()
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12 (26.7%)
How about a contemporary setting, for once?![]()
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1 (2.2%)
I have a yen for a dystopia.![]()
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7 (15.6%)
What about Regency England? No one ever uses that setting!![]()
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3 (6.7%)
Forget WWI, I want the Crimean War!![]()
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12 (26.7%)
I don't care, so long as there's cross-dressing.![]()
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17 (37.8%)
Whatever it is, there should be cuisine involved.![]()
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10 (22.2%)
Time travel.![]()
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11 (24.4%)
Why not try World War Two?![]()
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2 (4.4%)
Superheroes!![]()
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6 (13.3%)
Something based in myth or fairytale.![]()
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14 (31.1%)
I want to read something set in a circus.![]()
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10 (22.2%)
Some other idea I will tell you in comments.![]()
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2 (4.4%)
Tickies In Love Are Hot.![]()
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16 (35.6%)
This is my first choice of sub-genre.
Historical![]()
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11 (26.2%)
Speculative![]()
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15 (35.7%)
Contemporary![]()
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3 (7.1%)
Mystery/Suspense![]()
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5 (11.9%)
Clicky![]()
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8 (19.0%)
You should do another poll for characters!
My random comment is
I, who dislike reading on screen, have bought four m/m romance e-books, three of them by people I know and one that's set in World War One, so of course I had to have it. I'll probably post about them after I've read them all. Luckily, I could download all of them in PDF format, so I can print them on scrap paper and read them that way. Yeah, yeah, I'm a Luddite.
I upped my weights yesterday, to the degree that for some I had to really struggle, but today I'm not nearly as stiff as I worried I would be. Though I am not dancing like a butterfly, either.
Today's pro blog post is Oral Tradition, Epithets, and J.D. Robb.
Wrote 1000 words yesterday, between lunch and after work.
I'd forgotten how lovely outside validation could be. Someone else was entertained by what I wrote. It's not the sole reason I write, but it's a nice bonus.
I'm about halfway through the draft of The Duke and the Pirate Queen. Sometimes I think it's not bad at all, sometimes I think it's a mess and have no idea what I'm doing.
If someone invented a writer confidence pill, they would make a mint, if only writers had any money to buy the things. (I'm assuming the really, really bad writers wouldn't buy such a pill, because they would already think they're brilliant and don't have to do anything to get better.)
Need to do a load of laundry and pack for Montreal and do some writing, but I fear the writing will fall by the wayside if I'm not really disciplined about it tomorrow morning. I feel as if writing on a single day during the week might not do any good, but that is a Big Lie I am telling myself. I will write tomorrow, all morning, just as usual. I have the time. I've made the time for myself.
Over at the pro blog, I wrote about Erotic Journeys and Bodice Rippers. I was thinking about changing styles in romance novels, and how romance novels are different from erotica, and the like.
Also, Cecilia Tan did an excellent guestblog for me earlier this week: Why Writing Romance and Erotica Is Like Being Good in Bed, on possible differences between commercial and literary fiction.
I've concluded it's an odd book. Probably because I never did a chapter-by-chapter outline, the story seems to flow in strange ways; or maybe it's just that I have too many characters. I seem to have skimped on transitions and setups, to some extent, dropping in on one group, then another. Not sure how this will work out for readers. It's too late to change it, now.
Re-reading, I'm reminded of writing music without bar lines.
It was a lovely break, if tiring, to go and play with Mademoiselle and The Maw after I got back from workshop.
Travel to Readercon is sorted, and I'm pretty much packed. Thank goodness I accomplished something. Still need to pack for RWA, because I leave for that two days after I return from Readercon, and will probably need to sleep or something in those two days.
Understatement: I was very glad to see
My wordcounts on Friday and Saturday were 1530 and 1576, quite respectable, though I have done better in similar situations.
Dinner out tonight with
I will have a houseguest unexpectedly this weekend, but she's okay with me virtually abandoning her while I work. I need to send the manuscript back next week.
I also sent off a blurb I'd promised someone. I think they wanted it sooner than they got it, but, well, I was busy. And it's now done, so I don't have to ponder it any more, and can go back to my own novel.
I don't plan to work on the pirate novel at the same time as I'm doing final changes on Moonlight Mistress, but I had some new thoughts while I was at WisCon that should help, mostly about the secondary characters.
Mine are:
1. sell another novel (and if I do, finish a draft of it)
2. complete at least one short story and sell it
3. work more on imparting information actively in scenes
4. work more on doing more with fewer characters
5. figure out plot. I work on that one constantly.
And a bunch of other questions, too. I don't remember them all. I invited them to pick my brain, and so they did. It was loads of fun, and I would do it again in a heartbeat. Also, it was great to meet some new folks and renew acquaintance with some I'd met briefly before. (If you're out there, feel free to email/say hi/whatever, any time!)
Pay it forward!
You like my bird-sung gardens: wings and flowers;
Calm landscapes for emotion; star-lit lawns;
And Youth against the sun-rise ... 'Not profound;
'But such a haunting music in the sound:
'Do it once more; it helps us to forget'.
Last night I dreamt an old recurring scene--
Some complex out of childhood; (sex, of course!)
I can't remember how the trouble starts;
And then I'm running blindly in the sun
Down the old orchard, and there's something cruel
Chasing me; someone roused to a grim pursuit
Of clumsy anger ... Crash! I'm through the fence
And thrusting wildly down the wood that's dense
With woven green of safety; paths that wind
Moss-grown from glade to glade; and far behind,
One thwarted yell; then silence. I've escaped.
That's where it used to stop. Last night I went
Onward until the trees were dark and huge,
And I was lost, cut off from all return
By swamps and birdless jungles. I'd no chance
Of getting home for tea. I woke with shivers,
And thought of crocodiles in crawling rivers.
Some day I'll build (more ruggedly than Doughty)
A dark tremendous song you'll never hear.
My beard will be a snow-storm, drifting whiter
On bowed, prophetic shoulders, year by year.
And some will say, 'His work has grown so dreary.'
Others, 'He used to be a charming writer'.
And you, my friend, will query--
'Why can't you cut it short, you pompous blighter?'
--Siegfried Sassoon
I shall make a numbered list.
1. Stories. There are stories I want to read that no one else has written, so I write them myself.
2. Sharing. I want to share my joy in my stories. I want others to love the story of them, to think about my characters, to put their own spin on my ideas.
3. Pride. I have pride in my skill at making characters, stories, prose itself, and I have pride in my perserverance and market savvy that got my work published. I have pride in my dedication, that allowed me to publish over and over again.
4. Money. It's very, very satisfying and validating to be paid money for doing something you love and find fulfilling. Also, I like spending the money on things like The Man from U.N.C.L.E. DVD boxed set.
5. Secrets. Having secrets is having power. Writing is something all my own; my characters and stories are all my own; I can think of them in my head, planning and plotting and exploring new ideas for future projects, all the while keeping it to myself as a secret pleasure of which I share only fragments.
Anybody else?
The panelists were L. Timmel Duchamp, moderator; Carolyn Ives Gilman; Susan Palwick; Pat Murphy; and Eileen Gunn.
Received narrative as a force/atmosphere and combating/resisting received narrative; reader reading subversively, and writer leading/seducing reader into the subversive reading. The latter sounds like the hard part.
How do we make new narratives/stories for which the models don't exist? Subverting the conservative force of narrative: this equals story, this does not equal story. Making new story understood as story.
Narrative arc can be independent of structure; for example a single narrative arc, but structured as scenes going forward and backward in time. Structure can reinforce narrative arc, also. Thematic reinforcement ought to work as well.
The game of reading is to see narrative in a collage of events; seems to happen naturally when you have three random events; even two will do.
If reader is faced with a puzzle, must read interactively to assemble the puzzle/narrative.
Writer can write a story and then distance herself from the story, allowing her to rework it with greater freedom. "That story is done. I am now working on this story." (William Gibson recommended this technique to Eileen Gunn.)
Once a narrative is out in the world, it's no longer yours.
Exploit the holes in the story. [I think this meant, exploit the holes in one story to make a new, more interesting story.]
Carolyn Gilman: narrative is not explanation, it simulates explanation; narrative stresses competition and conflict; narrative tends to stress the personal and private over the public and political. Sequence in narrative implies causation.
Novels I've written and how it relates to the novel/s I've sold.
1. First attempt: a futuristic sf novel, in which I did a lot of things to the city of Philadelphia, both good and bad. I started over several times, never completed a full draft, did complete a couple of outlines which I didn't follow very well. Worked on it in dedicated fashion, though, for a long time, and produced a lot of wordcount. I was told the characters were fun. Am still fond of a couple of them. Might go back to it someday for a white-page [from scratch] rewrite. For now, trunked.
2. Second attempt: a fantasy novel, working from a detailed outline. Again made the mistake of starting over when it wasn't working, instead of pushing through the bad parts. Original plot was way more than I could handle. I was told the characters were fun. I did a lot of research for it, though, and that was fun. Unfinished. Trunked. Reworked some bits in recent years, before I had deadlines.
3. Third: 100K historical novel, completed, revised twice, synopsized, and queried. No agent was interested; never heard back from the one manuscript requestor. Say it together: I was told the characters were fun. My agent has it now, to give it a look when she has time.
4. The Duchess, Her Maid, The Groom and Their Lover, faux-historical erotic romance. My current agent, who contacted me on the basis of a story I sold her, asked me to do a proposal based on that story. The novel was sold on the basis of the proposal, which was three chapters and an outline; by the time it reached Acquisitions, I'd sent them another seven chapters or so, so they had about ten in hand when the purchase actually went through. Turned in October 2007; due out December 2008 from Harlequin Spice. I've been told the characters are fun.
5. The current project is second on the Spice conrtact. It's set during World War I, and with werewolves. In progress. Due August 2008. We shall see on the characters.
6. Next, who knows? I want to do some more proposals, especially a Western, which would have to be with some other publisher, since my current one already has a Western series. Depending on how well my books do for Spice, they might offer me another contract, and I have a list of ideas just in case, which I'd like to add to. I'd like to go back and do a YA fantasy, and something with that sf idea. I will worry about it when the current novel is done.
I've noticed that when I'm pushing, as opposed to when I have all the time I want, I don't wait for scenes to come to me (scene defined as something with action and dialogue), but write in a more narrative style, describing what happened. Still in pov, but not really what I want. Most of that stuff will be expanded into actual scenes--show, rather than tell--once I get to revisions. But right now, getting the ideas down seems more important, and I think will help me in imagining the scenes themselves. And I have more time to decide what needs to be shown, and what can be simply told.
I think I'm going to move the wordcount bar down to 80,000 for the zero draft. A lot of this narrative will take up more space when it's in scene form, and I don't want to overshoot. So if I'm aiming for 80K, and I'm almost at 43K, then I'm halfway done! And I should have time for at least one revision pass, if I can keep up the pace.
The first scenes I wrote for this book were constructed as standalones, for my own benefit, because I had no idea at the time how they'd be connected. Right now, I'm working on what will probably be chapter one. Since I know what happens in chapter one, I'm writing it in order, start to finish. I noticed last night that the story seemed to be moving slowly, or the writing was. I realized this had to do with the transitions. It wasn't that the transitions were bad, or lengthy, it was just that I had to sit through them while writing them, which was a change from simply writing scenes that were "the good parts" and stopped immediately afterward.
I remember this feeling from before. When writing transitions, I become more aware of myself practicing craft, because I'm less emotionally engaged. Which transition do I need to show? Which can I skip? How can I include a room description in that transition? What bit of character tension can I include when the two people walk across town together? It feels slow because I'm thinking all this as I write, and I at least think through most of the steps necessary to move the characters from one place to another, even if I don't put them on the page.
Transitions are a large part of the book, and the character and descriptive bits I include in them are going to have a cumulative effect. I have a lot of words to use up in this novel, but I don't want to waste any.
I thought of various things about this method of writing. Normally, I hate having to push and rush and not give myself breaks. I prevent it, by trying to keep a schedule, even if that schedule shifts according to circumstance. Since I was a bit more than a week from deadline when I realized they were expecting more wordcount than I'd thought I was producing, this method wasn't much use, though I did schedule myself so far as wordcount needed for each remaining day. In future, when I sell something, I will find out what wordcount they want as soon as they say they want to buy it. For the second book for this publisher, of course, I know now, and will outline and plan accordingly.
After the weekend's marathon writing sessions, I could have held onto the manuscript for one more day, and added another couple of thousand words, cleaned up the later parts, etc., but on brief reflection, I just couldn't take it any more. I'd burned out. Better to put the thing in the courier box before I read over what I'd done and despaired because it wasn't a brightly shining jewel of perfection. That way lies not only madness, but never finishing anything.
Good things I learned from my writing marathon:
1. I can trust my basic prose level to sound okay on first draft, without me paying too much attention to it as it flows out. I saved my concentration for keeping the whole story in mind. Having done paper edits before all this final writing took place helped a lot on thinking about the story's shape; so did the comments I got from workshop on the partial. Making notes after those comments and edits, on specifically what I needed to include before the novel's end, also helped a lot.
2. Breaks are necessary for me, even in a marathon, even if the breaks are only standing up after an hour or so to put away part of a load of laundry. That's one kind of break. The other is finishing a large section, then taking a think-break and making notes on the next section, so I don't have to waste time flailing when I sit back down again to write. I enforced my think-breaks by trapping myself downstairs waiting for my laundry to finish, with no entertainment but the notebook and pen.
3. I can write a lot in a short period if I need to, but never as much as I wish I could.
Of course, I will have (approximately) 3-6 weeks for revisions later on, but I'll be, well, doing revisions, so am not sure how much new writing I can add then.
Must not panic. Panic is bad. I am perfectly on schedule for writing a novel of 80K. 90-100K is the tricky part. If you're playing along at home, that about 50 pages I need to crank out. It's a good night if I write 4 pages. Michael's trick of changing fonts is fine if you're running over, but not so much when you're short.
War stories, anyone?
All at once, the first time we see them, or in dribs and drabs? Or never at all?
How specific are you? As specific as the story requires? On what elements do you tend to focus? (It changes every time is an acceptable answer.)
As a reader, do you prefer being told exactly how a character looks, or do you prefer to imagine them yourself? Does it annoy you when a description does not match your mental picture?